This message says a lot about our need to stand up and be responsible. Hopefully it will get a wide distribution.
This is one of the greatest responses to the requests for bailout money I have seen thus far.
As a supplier for the Big 3, this man received a letter from the President of GM North America requesting support for the bail out program. His response is well written, and has to make you proud of a local guy who tells it like it is.
This letter and Mr. Knox are real.. check it out at:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/knox.aspThis is GM's letter:Dear Employees & Suppliers,
Congress and the current Administration will soon determine whether to provide immediate support to the domestic auto industry to help it through one of the most difficult economic times in our nation's history. Your elected officials must hear from all of us now on why this support is critical to our continuing the progress we began prior to the global financial crisis.
As an employee or supplier, you have a lot at stake and continue to be one of our most effective and passionate voices. I know GM can count on you to have your voice heard.
Thank you for your urgent action and ongoing support.
Troy Clarke
President,
General Motors North America
Response from: Gregory Knox, Pres.Knox Machinery Company
Franklin, Ohio
Gentlemen:
In response to your request to contact legislators and ask for a bailout for the Big Three automakers please consider the following, and please pass my thoughts on to Troy Clarke, President of General Motors North America.
Politicians and Management of the Big 3 are both infected with the same entitlement mentality that has spread like cancerous germs in UAW halls for the last countless decades, and whose plague is now sweeping this nation, awaiting our new "messiah," Pres-elect Obama, to wave his magic wand and make all our problems go away, while at the same time allowing our once great nation to keep "living the dream." Believe me folks, The dream is over!
This dream where we can ignore the consumer for years while management myopically focuses on its personal rewards packages at the same time that our factories have been filled with the worlds most overpaid, arrogant, ignorant and laziest entitlement minded "laborers" without paying the price for these atrocities. This dream where you still think the masses will line up to buy our products for ever and ever.
Don't even think about telling me I'm wrong. Don't accuse me of not knowing of what I speak. I have called on Ford, GM, Chrysler, TRW, Delphi, Kelsey Hayes, American Axle, and countless other automotive OEM's throughout the Midwest, during the past 30 years and what I've seen over those years in these union shops can only be described as disgusting.
Troy Clarke, President of General Motors North America, states: "There is widespread sentiment throughout this country, and our government, and especially via the news media, that the current crisis is completely the result of bad management which it certainly is not."
You're right Mr. Clarke, it's not JUST management. How about the electricians who walk around the plants like lords in feudal times, making people wait on them for countless hours while they drag ass so they can come in on the weekend and make double and triple time for a job they easily could have done within their normal 40 hour work week. How about the line workers who threaten newbies with all kinds of scare tactics for putting out too many parts on a shift and for being too productive.
(We certainly must not expose those lazy bums who have been getting overpaid for decades for their horrific underproduction, must we?!?)
Do you folks really not know about this stuff?!? How about this great sentiment abridged from Mr. Clarke's sad plea: "over the last few years we have closed the quality and efficiency gaps with our competitors." What the hell has Detroit been doing for the last 40 years?!? Did we really JUST wake up to the gaps in quality and efficiency between us and them? The K car vs. the Accord? The Pinto vs. the Civic?!? Do I need to go on? What a joke!
We are living through the inevitable outcome of the actions of the United States auto industry for decades. It's time to pay for your sins, Detroit.
I attended an economic summit last week where brilliant economist, Alan Beaulieu, from the Institute of Trend Research, surprised the crowd when he said he would not have given the banks a penny of "bailout money."
"Yes, he said, this would cause short term problems," but despite what people like politicians and corporate magnates would have us believe, the sun would in fact rise the next day and the following very important thing would happen. Where there had been greedy and sloppy banks, new efficient ones would pop up. That is how a free market system works. It does work if we would only let it work."
But for some nondescript reason we are now deciding that the rest of the world is right and that capitalism doesn't work - that we need the government to step in and "save us". Save us my ass, Hell - we're nationalizing and unfortunately too many of our once fine nation's citizens don't even have a clue that this is what is really happening.
But, they sure can tell you the stats on their favorite sports teams.
Yeah - THAT'S really important, isn't it.
Does it ever occur to ANYONE that the "competition" has been producing vehicles, EXTREMELY PROFITABLY, for decades in this country? How can that be??? Let's see. Fuel efficient. Listening to customers. Investing in the proper tooling and automation for the long haul.
Not being too complacent or arrogant to listen to Dr.. W Edwards Deming four decades ago when he taught that by adopting appropriate principles of management, organizations could increase quality and simultaneously reduce costs. Ever increased productivity through quality and intelligent planning. Treating vendors like strategic partners, rather than like "the enemy." Efficient front and back offices. Non union environment.
Again, I could go on and on, but I really wouldn't be telling anyone anything they really don't already know down deep in their hearts.
I have six children, so I am not unfamiliar with the concept of wanting someone to bail you out of a mess that you have gotten yourself into - my children do this on a weekly, if not daily basis, as I did when I was their age. I do for them what my parents did for me (one of their greatest gifts, by the way) - I make them stand on their own two feet and accept the consequences of their actions and work through it. Radical concept, huh. Am I there for them in the wings? Of course - but only until such time as they need to be fully on their own as adults.
I don't want to oversimplify a complex situation, but there certainly are unmistakable parallels here between the proper role of parenting and government. Detroit and the United States need to pay for their sins.
Bad news people - it's coming whether we like it or not The newly elected Messiah really doesn't have a magic wand big enough to "make it all go away." I laughed as I heard Obama "reeling it back in" almost immediately after the final vote count was tallied. "We really might not do it in a year or in four." Where the Hell was that kind of talk when he was RUNNING for office.
Stop trying to put off the inevitable folks. That house in Florida really isn't worth $750,000. People who jump across a border really don't deserve free health care benefits. That job driving that forklift for the Big 3 really isn't worth $85,000 a year. We really shouldn't allow Wal-Mart to stock their shelves with products acquired from a country that unfairly manipulates their currency and has the most atrocious human rights infractions on the face of the globe. That couple whose combined income is less than $50,000 really shouldn't be living in that $485,000 home.
Let the market correct itself folks - it will.. Yes it will be painful, but it's gonna' be painful either way, and the bright side of my proposal is that on the other side of it all, is a nation that appreciates what it has and doesn't live beyond its means and gets back to basics and redevelops the patriotic work ethic that made it the greatest nation in the history of the world and probably turns back to God..
Sorry - don't cut my head off, I'm just the messenger sharing with you the "bad news". I hope you take it to heart.
Gregory J. Knox, President
Knox Machinery, Inc.
Franklin, Ohio 45005

MY RESPONSE:Dear Mr. Knox:
You are certainly entitled to your opinions, which right also allows me to have mine. I think you're full of shit.
To begin, you make statements in your opening paragraph concerning 'politicians and the Big 3' which, to be gratuitous, are nonsensical. To what, exactly, entitlements have politicians claimed for themselves? Can you enumerate them? Likewise with the the automakers, UAW and the 'mentality' of entitlement in the form of a plague sweeping the country. And please clarify, if you will, what is meant by the 'magic wand' you mention as being waved by PRESIDENT Obama...what exactly is this 'magic wand' comprised of? My best recollection of the president's remarks concerning the economy were words to the effect that it was not going to be easy to overcome the mistakes and errors, greed and incompetence of the past 8 years. but rather it was going to be a tough, hard struggle. I heard nothing of a 'magic wand', and I challenge you to prove one iota of an Obama 'magic wand'. Mini demagogues should better prepare before shooting their mouths off and spewing things created out of thin air. OK, so you're a conservative with a big 'C', say it and stop with the pedantic bullshit already.
You go on to bash the 'lazy bums' of labor and the incompetence of management. Of course, as a salesman, you qualify as an expert. Needless to say, when I called on architects such as Skidmore, Owings and Merrill for years, I too could have designed the John Hancock building in Chicago and a friend, Margie Phelps, who detailed doctors for 35 years while working for Phizer, now is a brain surgeon.
In your purity of rightfulness you mention the 'brilliant economist' Alan Beaulieu, and his apparent unwillingness to give 'a penny' of bailout money to banks. Trouble is, Beaulieu is not a formally trained economist any more than I am, though I have a masters Degree from the Instituto de Allende, but i don't hold myself out as an 'economist.' Further, while the sun will rise again in the east, I hear no alternative suggestions to diverting a world wide financial melt down from either you or Beaulieu. You know nothing of economic theory from any accepted school of economic thought whatsoever. You skip over what Warren Buffett describes as our financial Pearl Harbor with Beaulieu stating "....would cause short term problems' as if we were in the midst of a garden variety recession. You're an economic jerk.
Continuing your self-righteous bullshit, you mention that "...the rest of the world is right and that capitalism doesn't work...." I haven't come across much of this. I have come across much that says enforced regulation is in the cards...and I believe this is so. You, Knox, are in the machine tool business and surely must realize that the most efficient, high speed, creative tools extant today have to be regulated...that while they have RPMs and capacities that the layman can't comprehend, they have to be controlled for maximum efficiency, lest they run amok. True?
You also speak of "...nationalizing..." as if it were dengue fever...forgetting that it is nothing new in American history going back to the nation's railroads and banks...when they were indeed the very aortas of the economy. As much as you don't know about economics, you know less about history.
Your academic business mentor may have been Deming, mine was Drucker.
Your having six children proves nothing more than you, or someone, had sex with your wife at least six times. It is less an indication of sageness than the father of one stating that he didn't want to screw himself out of a place at the table. Parenting and government similarity? Please, spare us your nuggets of imbecility. Orwell came up with the term 'big brother' for government, now we have Knox to thank for 'father government.'
RE: $750,000 house in Florida, border jumpers free health care, forklift $85,000 incomes, Wal-Mart and Chinese goods, $50,000 couple buying $485,000 home. Who the hell are you to tell anyone what house to buy? To tell Wal-Mart or anyone else how to live their lives or conduct their business? Where do you get off with your sanctimonious bullshit? You're nothing but a parasite in business...selling things that someone else makes to someone else that operates them. What do you contribute to sociey...a measley little pimple on the ass of progress living off other people's creativity, risk capital and labor (did you steal customers and prospects from your prior employer to start your business?)...the factors of a capitalistic system...while you do nothing but serve as a bump along the road of distribution. You know nothing of pain in a societal sense, you offer NO proposals, people do not have "patriotic" (how many foreign brands of machinery do you represent? you're a hypocrite) work ethics and our standard of living isn't even in the top ten of world countries...you are not even a messenger because you don't have a message...nothing but self-serving, narcissistic bullshit. Knox, you're an asshole.
One wonders why anyone who would claim that EV technology is at the control of the marketplace (i.e. he means that consumers will decide what they need, rather than Big Brother) is alowed to publish fiction such as this.
Oabama has promised $7500 per vehicle tax credit for Ev or REVs like the Volt. That don't sound nothing like no marketplace environment to me. I also note that brainless Obama's dream of 1 milion cars electrically powered cars on the road within the next 5 years will accomplish exactly nothing in terms of either carbon emissions or gasoline consumption. Let's see now. There are 365 million gas powered cars out there, using approximately 40% of the crude oil. That works out to an invisible reduction of 1/5th of 1 percent of oil demand. Oh, yeah, Obama reallly knows his math. Another symbolic idea from the newsset fool in the WH - file it alongside that guff about appointing honest, competent Feds or closing Guantanomo. Obama has sold out before he's even changed the drapes in the White House. Different colored skin, same old brainless jerk. The internet made Obama and the internet will drstroy the liar.
Posted by: ArthurGlen | January 24, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Talk about 'brainless jerks', its almost comical when a real doozy posts on this otherwise enlightening blog. Even but a cursory search of the US Bureau of Transit Statistics indicates there were only 135,399,945 registered 'cars' on the road in 2006 (latest available figures), and only 250,851,833 total vehicles, including cars, trucks and 6,686,147 motorcycles to boot. Speaking of math, I think its safe to say that only a bona fide jerk could be wrong by over 200,000,000 cars...unless, of course, the car manufacturers have been faking their sales numbers the past two years.
I believe there is a convention in law, perhaps it is only tacit, that if a part of witness testimony can be impeached, then his/her entire testimony can be disregarded by the jury. In bars, a jerk guilty of this is known as a bull..ter and becomes a pariah, if not thrown out on his fat assets.
In the case of thinking people v bona fide jerks, the defense rests.
Posted by: martscan | January 26, 2009 at 02:18 AM
To Martscan, while ArthurGlen's post is a bit of a political rant, the underlying point is a valid one - is this the best use of funds to accomplish the goal?
Not long ago, GM indicated they thought EV was a "transitional technology" at best, and the holy grail was indeed hydrogen fuel cells. Apparently, that was the reasoning behind almost no serious focus on EV - they wanted to beat Toyota and Honda to fuel cells, anticipating a much shorter development period. History has shown the folly of that. At least in the short term.
But if ArthurGlen's "$7,500 and 1 million vehicles" is correct (I don't know if it is or isn't), that's a federal taxes expenditure of $7.5 billion. Would the ultimate goal of zero emmissions not be much closer if that cash was spent on fuel cell research? Do we need tens of millions of toxic batteries to dispose of in 10-15 years? Do we not create carbon emmissions generating electricity, which is currently 50+% coal in the US?
To declare EV the winner, and worthy of massive subsidy, ignores the science and longer term implications of the technology. Why not offer that subsidy to hydrogen? In the rush to be seen to be green, it looks like marketing trumps science.
Posted by: JS | January 26, 2009 at 10:04 AM
The market place would probably accept electric cars if the cost of electricity as fuel was less than the cost of oil as fuel. If we invested the $7.5 billion into research into superconductivity that would happen very quickly. Well over 2/3 of all electricity generated in the United States is lost in getting the juice from where it is generated to where it is used. Most of that is in the bulk conduction, for example from Hoover dam to LA or from the Tennessee Valley to the steel mills on the great lakes. If we are looking for places to cut waste that loss of electricity is the greatest waste in the country. It is also something that is relatively near to being feasible if money were thrown at it. Otherwise, the pollution and global warming caused by coal and gas generated electricity is greater than simply using oil to fuel the vehicle. I find it amazing that this is so little discussed, superconductivity would be the quickest and easiest way to increase our energy supplies!!!
Posted by: Gary Noel | January 26, 2009 at 12:21 PM
JS:
Am I missing something? Where is it written that projected "costs" of a hypothetical program are the ONLY funds earmarked for the goal of becoming independent of OPEC oil with respect to powering autos? Where is it written that one source of alternative energy, regardless of its application, trumps any other source of alternative energy, to the extent of their not receiving government credits or other monetary incentives? Where is it written that a hypothetical lost opportunity is a hard "cost"? Your contention of "...a federal taxes expenditure of $7.5 billion", and "...if that cash was spent on fuel cell research?", is nonsensical. "Cash" you don't have can't be "spent."
Speaking of fuel cell research, the Dept. of Energy has had outright fuel cell research grants available via its SBIR program for years, as has the Pentagon through the military services.
Its my understanding that Obama's proposed tax credits ($7000, not $7500) apply to ANY vehicle, plug-in, fuel cell or rubber band, capable of 150 mpg or equivalent...also, if memory serves, Obama once proposed a $10B venture capital fund for alternative energy research. And, I believe McCain was touting a $5000 credit and a $300M prize for advanced battery technology...apparently, John McCain 'sold out' even before he could possibly be president. Glen's post is not a "bit of political rant", its a lot of gobblygook.
Regarding GM and EV, why is it no one mentions that the EV1 car would have sold like hot cakes during the gas price spike...if it hadn't been scrapped...and its technology, including the battery intelligence, was sold to, of all people, Chevron oil? The point is that corporations are not formed to be patriotic entities, they are formed to make money for their owners, and they make decisions according to what they believe the market will buy. Period. There is no lack of money in this country for a viably marketable product...whether it be fuel cells or widgets.
Posted by: martscan | January 26, 2009 at 06:00 PM
Martscan,
The apparent mindset at the moment is “Prius good, Tahoe bad”. There is currently an obsession with electric cars as it is viewed to be the shortest path to reducing fossil fuels reliance. While it’s not specifically wrong, it’s worth noting that if Obama wants to act fast, EV is the technology likely to receive most of the “investment dollars” (or tax credits) he espouses. And we should be specific – it’s not the electric car that’s the problem, it’s the battery and charging time.
If the government enacts a tax credit of any size, that credit creates a tax hole that will have to be filled from something, and that means cash from a taxpayer’s wallet. And if "Cash you don't have can't be spent." was true, there would be no government deficits.
As for the DOE SBIR grants, yes, they have been in place for years, but they are in the millions, not hundreds of millions, and certainly not billions. Their current program allocates, according to their web pages, $100 mil up to 2010, a mere drop in the bucket of alternative fuels research spending. There has been an enormous amount of private money spent on hydrogen to date, I suspect because if/when it is perfected on an economic level, the rewards will be mind-boggling.
GM’s EV1 program was a technology that failed to materialize in a profitable product. At the time, as is now, electric cars are NOT PROFITABLE to their manufacturers on any kind of mass scale. 10 years into the Prius, Toyota’s investment has not been covered, although they arguably have achieved a "mindshare" dominance as a GREEN car company. GM made a decision to re-allocate capital to a technology that has proven a tough nut to crack. But what if they had sold EV1 cars “like hotcakes”? Presuming consumers would have elected to buy one, they projected a loss on every car, even selling at a price substantially higher than the Prius. So GM would have lost more money. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
I generally agree that “There is no lack of money in this country for a viably marketable product...whether it be fuel cells or widgets”. I personally abhor any tax incentive or government spending to move “alternative fuels” forward.
What I am asserting is that if Obama spends money (or provides tax credits) on this, and it’s almost a foregone conclusion he will, companies will flock towards electric cars, because that’s where the low hanging fruit will be. If the result is that money for other alternatives all but disappears, including zero emissions technologies like rubber bands, we’ll have shot ourselves in the foot yet again.
Posted by: JS | January 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM
JS:
You make an intelligent and cogent argument stated articulately, which I respect. However, I disagree with it.
My point is that whatever mitigates our dependence on foreign oil is fine with me. What's the difference what form the savings takes as long as it works?
Regarding the government creating a 'tax hole' that has to be filled by cash from taxpayers' wallets and comparing this to never having a deficit, is nonsense, on both counts. To begin, the incentive, tax credit, by definition is offered to bring about an event that wouldn't ordinarily happen without the incentive. A taxpayer with, say, a $25,000 tax liability buying a $40,000 car and receiving a $7,000 credit would then have a tax bill of $18,000...ostensibly "costing" the federal govt his $7,000 tax savings. But, no one knows if the taxpayer would have bought a conventional car, or not, rather than the new tech car with the tax benefit...whatever that technology might be. Tracking backwards, tell me how much in federal taxes were paid in making the car, beginning with design, engineering, manufacturing, etc, etc to delivery and the wages paid to a dealer's car hiker, before the $7,000 so called 'cost' even enters the picture...that arguably wouldn't have been made without the incentive? Going forward, the car purchaser immediately pays over $3,500 in sales taxes, albeit local, they support public employees that pay federal taxes and, knowing the current velocity of a dollar (I'd guess 6-8X), it wouldn't be too difficult to calculate a total amount garnered by the federal govt in tax revenue from the sale of this car..and the one built to replace it in inventory....and the figure will easily surpass the $7,000 deducted from the purchasers tax bill, making a so called cost an actual net gain. With respect to federal deficits, they are the result of financings, borrowed money...and bear no relationship to what amounts to a tax cut vs an expenditure.
You state that Toyota has yet to make a profit with Prius. I don't know where you source your information, but I do know that I've read statements from Toyota executives, as early as 2003, that Prius was profitable. Also, Goldman Sachs' analyst, Kota Kuzawa states that Prius will produce 10% of Toyota's total company profits by next year. If this is true, I doubt the division goes from negative to incredibly positive overnight...rather it probably has enjoyed incremental gains from year to year. The fact of the matter is that no one outside of Toyota knows what Prius' financial critical mass is, or how the company treats expenses attributable to Prius.
If someone is drawn to a Toyota showroom out of curiosity to see a Prius, and ends up buying a Camry, is any part of that sale attributable to Prius? It is not arguable that Prius has won the green 'halo' for Toyota...witness Bob Lutz's denunciation of the Prius years ago, and his penchant for egomaniacal failures has forfeited any hope of GM ever catching Toyota's technological lead. Given GM's track record of not being able to forecast major consumer trends..not to mention their obsession with concept cars and contrived obsolescence, rather than producing reliable, profitable cars that people really wanted...I doubt anyone can make reasonable prognostications and presumptions about GM's EV prospects, when its clear that they can't do it themselves.
With respect to govt incentives, we are at opposite ends of the spectrum, and I suspect this may reflect our philosophies having to do with the role of govt. I am in favor of incentives regarding alternative energy because it is a matter of national security, in fact, we should have instituted a 'Manhattan' type project for this purpose years ago. Of course, the clout of big oil and 'Detroit' has prevented this. I am opposed to corporate hand outs, veiled as incentives, such as the ethanol fiasco on top of the Farm Bill fiasco, to name but one. And I say this as someone having considerable farm interests.
It is my belief that whatever Obama does, it will be in the best interests of the most people to the best of his knowledge...and not corporate special interests as has been our tacit policy for as long as I can remember.
Posted by: martscan | January 27, 2009 at 09:58 PM